Toto- Excuse Me?
 

This evening I click on AM and hear "Africa" by Toto? Puhlease........

Toto??
 

I know that the Porcaro chaps have played with Jon Anderson a few times but...........................Africa??????????

D'oh!!!!

I also think we play Owner of a Lonley Heart - that's MORE unprog than Africa. Tot in that area reminds of of Saga's Worlds Apart, which we also play.

Avian

Eh???
 

No Way, Man!!!!! Owner of a lonely heart is SO much more "our" thAng............but don't ask me why.

Just got home from a VERY drunken night out and I'm trying to do the "stream of con- sciousness tack. Not working at all!!

By the way who or what is Tot???????

you all are too funny
 

It's great to see you all tease each other about a song like "Africa".

Is Foreigner OK since some old Crimson boys are on the first record?

The Porcaro boys played with everyone - for fun, track Simon Phillips through his career - now that's a mess!

Starrider or Starsailor, or whatever that song was called...

Re: you all are too funny
 

Yeah, but WHAT A CAREER!!!!

I think it would be easier to list the people he hasn't played with.

Simon Phillips
 

I had a friend who once said "You have to have a mighty small record collection not to have something with Simon Phillips on it", consequently, that is name of one of my old mixed cassette tapes. It may be the only tape with Jon Anderson followed by Judas Priest!

Simon Phillips (again!!)
 

It might make up an interesting couple of hours on AM.

A programme with music that has SP playing on it.

It certainly wouldn't all be the same.

Any one up to the task?

I decided to have a little fun, but I didn't really go all out here... I cheated.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:22:48|AM&sql=R19856#APPEAR

Simon Phillips
 

I featured Simon Phillips on CPH #94, and in that one show, while barely scratching the surface, I played Simon Phillips with his own solo material, Los Lobotomys, Gary Boyle, Camel, Judas Priest Toto and Jeff Beck...

Matt

No Toto. Please.
No Foreigner. Please.
No Asia. Please.

Who am I leaving out? I guess it doesn't matter, when there are major offenders like "Pirates" from prog mainstays like ELP in the rack, it's a bit specious to b!tch about the Totos and the Foreigners and the Triumphs, and even the Starcastles.

Gag. Enough to make me want to clear my head with some Dead Kennedys. That'll do the trick.

Pirates is one of the best songs..
 

ever written. I like the Plasmatics, too - Pirates, bad? Wow!!!!!

I like ELP, sometimes, but I don't like Pirates. It's empty and pretentious even for a band that raised empty pretense to an art form. I also agree about Toto, Foreigner, Triumph & Starcastle. Off the top of my head, I'd add Rush and Supertramp.

So what?

The free-format radio I remember from the 70s (WNEW-FM, WBAI, WLIR, WFDU...probably a few more I'm forgetting) had all that, plus what you like at AM, plus what I like at AM, plus much more that you and I don't. The non-prog was maybe only 10% of their programming, but it was there. A tiny fraction was even unmitigated, unapologetic top-40[gasp].

I don't know what AM's finances look like, but I can imagine it's necessary to limit their acquisitions, and I'm immensely grateful just for what's here now. Almost anything can be "prog", or at least worth another listen, if it's in the right context...in a really great theme set. But when its financially possible, I'd actually like to see AM's definition of prog loosened, not tightened.

A really good DJ can make anything prog in context. Even when I don't like it, I probably won't hear it often since there's no playlist. And I might even hear something that isn't prog that I really like and might not have heard elsewhere. And that's really what radio, including AM, is for, in my opinion.

thanks.

as far as our finances go, it primarily comes out of Avian's and my wallets - we only do it out of love. The only income to AM is voluntary contributions from listeners.

>>But when its financially possible, I'd actually like to see AM's definition of prog loosened, not tightened.

Agreed.

>>I like ELP, sometimes, but I don't like Pirates. It's empty and pretentious even for a band that raised empty pretense to an art form.

What he said. But you'll have to pry my copy of "Welcome Back, My Friends" from my cold dead hands.

>>I like the Plasmatics, too.

Never got into the Plasmatics, but there were people at my radio station who loved them. Any band fronted by a porn star who routinely crashed cars on stage is worth a little respect.

More on Pirates
 

Wow, problems with Pirates.

At one point, I think I was requesting it once a week, only for its large symphonic quality.

Normally I push CanCon, but being an ELP freak (even paid to see Emerson, Lake, and Powell, with the hydraulic bongos), I think that experimentation into excess is one of the defining features of AM.

Sorry for mentioning that.

Happy Victoria weekend to all Canadians. Hope you find some warm water, or hope you have enough beer to think that the water's warm.

bringing this back to Toto, I think you could comfortably play the title cut from Hydra, that seems prog enough... Africa may be a bit too top-40, but it seems as soon as a prog band gets a top-40 hit, that tune becomes non-prog. am I over-simplifying? what would happen if prog became main-stream?! :p
as for Starcastle, their first two albums are definitely prog, albeit happy, fairly major-based prog. nothing too dark or ominous, which seems to be some folks criterion... as for their last two albums you can have 'em...

:cool:

Ahoy there matie!
 

Enough of this tongue-biting, it's starting to bleed -

I am still dumbfounded as to why one finds Pirates pretentious, overblown, all of those other "record-review" hackneyed names. Find another song like it. Stuff like Zep's "Achilles Last Stand", and anything off of KC's Discipline - it's truly an original. I can see if you don't like it - but you all make it sound it like "Love Beach"! I think it's cool - a symphonic tune that rocks - pretentious, moi?

No, Roger, you're not over-simplifying. I like really like Enchant, but they could be written off to top-40, too. In fact, I can't see how they are even prog - yes, they owe their sound to Kansas and Rush (the opening riff of "Paint The Picture" is a "Xanadu" ripoff) - but it seems like since Steve Rothery played and produced 2 cuts from their first record, it's automatically prog. Come on. It's just good pop. I dig the Smithereens - but if they put out a 14-minute song called "Baby lets roll in 9/8", I still wouldn't consider them prog.

Starcastle to me is derivative and unexciting. Call them prog if you will, I don't have to like it. Good point about the dark & ominous observation. Add "ethereal & moody" to that list. Chop Porcupine Tree's records in half (no, not literally you wouldn't be able to play it), and you get a solid, meaty effort without the filler so deperately needed by some people to make it prog. It's like Marillion. They are no more or less prog since Fish left - they just decided (except in rare cases) to stop writing good music. Man, they were rolling - and then Fish left and they lost their edge.

Now I need to go put on some Tool to clear my head.

Toto
 

I think Toto has a few gems scattered throughout their catalog. I have them all on LP. Is it prog? Well, it was good stuff if you consider what was playing on pop radio at the time.

I can hear the SAGA marimba thing too.

Be Well!

Let's not forget Tull in the Hall of Fame
 

This issue is as silly as Jethro Tull being given the grammy for "best hard rock".

You could play the Six Degrees of Steve Lukather on the original post...

Toto Steve Played with David Paich
David Paich produced Logic "nomadic sands" with Billy Sherwood,
Billy played in the "post Rabin" yes.

Steve Howe played with Dream Theater on Once in a Live Time

James LaBrie played on "Leonardo: The absolute man" with Steve Walsh of Kansas

and on
and on
and on

Let's face it, they are all relatives by marriage.

..send your camels to bed
 

Tull is my favorite band, but Metallica should have won the Grammy - I laughed my ass off. What people forget is that possibly their weakest effort (Rock Island) wins a Grammy! That awards stuff makes me ill anyway.

Here's one for you - I got a T Lavitz CD with Maria Muldaur singing on one cut.

I hope you can find Toto connections - after all, they were just a bunch of session guys. I'm sure they played with a lot of people.

RE: six degrees
 

Wow! Tom that was very good.

OK can anyone name (2) keyboardists who rehearsed with YES but never joined. Both of them are quite well know among us Progheads.

:)

Just for Practice?
 

I know Jim Chricton of Saga did most of the loads and tweaks for the Union shows...

I believe Jordan Rudess was in the wings waiting...

Yes Keyboards.
 

Vangelis was also waiting in the wings at one time.

Re: Yes Keyboards.
 

oh, now that would have been nuts!!

missed opportunities... :cool:

90125
 

Eddie Jobson was originally in the 90125 band instead of Tony Kaye. Most of the keyboard playing on 90125 is either Jobson or Rabin, not Kaye. He was replaced by Kaye before the album came out. But if you watch the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" video very closely, you can see Eddie Jobson in a bad edit. They even made the video with Jobson! - that's how late in the game Kaye came in. Slow down the video and look at the edge of the screen in the background behind Trevor, and there's Eddie.

I don't know who I feel sorrier for -
 

Tony Kaye for constantly being replaced, or Eddie Jobson for having to play such uninteresting keyboard parts. Aside from "Hearts", I can't think of a Kaye lead that's of any value.

that's harsh!:eek: I thought there were some decent little keyboard parts on there. "Our Song" is great. Anyway, don't forget that "Cinema" was originally a 20 minute jam. I'd love to find that thing. I'm sure Jobson was all over it, and that's why it's still not released - not "official." Here's hoping that the Rhino reissues will have that plus the "Twelve Inches On Tape" remixes.

Yeah, I know
 

I guess I won't be getting an XMAS card from Mr. Kaye!