What tracks should be combined?

[Yesspaz]

Ok Moon People, Spaz here with an idea. Occasionally a long song or suite is split over many tracks, such as "Endless Dream" by Yes being tracks 7, 8, and 9. Why do artists do this? Often it is because of contracts. For example, King's X's contracts with Metal Blade are for 10-song albums. Please Come Home... Mr. Bulbous had 9 songs, the last of which was the 10 minute "Move Me." To meet contract, it's tracked as "Move Me (Part One)" and "Move Me (Part Two)." There are many other reasons this type of tracking happens.

Through component burners and software, these can easily be combined into one track. However, sometimes a cd comes in the mail, such as a large shipment at one time, and the songs are ripped before the album has really been digested. So, what we occasionally get is tracks that are really part of longer pieces. Have you ever had this experience: You're kicking along to a jam on AM and then it abruptly stops in an odd place, and you think, "what happened?" Then you know what I'm talking about.

I have begun to download these pieces of pieces, combine them with software, and re-upload them. I discussed it with Jim, and he's all for it in principle, except that he can and will veto any he deems should stay seperate. For instance, often you'll see a multi-part suite with gaps of silence between them. Sotos' "Malstrom" is seven tracks, "Maltrom Part 3," etc., and there's little direct continuity between tracks. So this will stay seven seperate tracks. Also, sometimes suites are seperate tracks because of sheer length. "Five Suns" by Guapo is just over 45 minutes. It's tracked as five seperate pieces, but could be combined. Of course, the obvious problem is request hogging. So that's where Jim's veto power comes in.

What I'm asking for in this forum is simple suggestions of stuff that should not be split. For instance, "Long Distance Runaround/The Fish" are together, as are parts of The Wall and The Final Cut. However, "The Cinema Show" and "Aisle of Plenty" are not together, and maybe should be. So, my point is, can you think of two or three or more tracks that should be a whole? Post them here in the format of...

ARTIST - ALBUM - TRACKs A, B, C, D, Etc.

I'll download them from AM and give a listen. If I agree, I'll combine them, send them to Jim, and if he agrees, they can go back and replace the cut up version. Patience is a key, because I can't combine dozens a day, nor will Jim stop his world to listen to them, but a few here, and a few there, and eventually we won't have a jam stop mid melody.

Peace out.




PS, I'll got first.


ABWH - ABWH - Order of the Universe/Let's Pretend

[Rick and Roll]

I was going to debate the merits of this etc (went back and read your black box chat w/ jim), but it's busy here and I don't have the patience.

SO,

I have one. The last two tunes on Giant's "Three Friends"...Mister Class and Quality and Three Friends.

Hell, I can't resist:

I don't think tunes should be combined without asking first in a forum setting. With all due respect Spaz, I would rather you not give them a listen and be the judge.

For instance the last three tunes on Sonus Umbra's "Snapshots From Limbo" should have been fused (they were split when ripped). Dot and Jim did this after I asked...it took awhile, but I went through protocol. It's fine now. I'll be playing that, coincidentally, in two weeks.

I also don't think any one person should be the arbitrer of this. What's the rush? Just post it and see...sort of like the "errors" thread. But maybe one thread per rq. There are lots of Moonies more jnowledgeable than you or I. It may be more of a glacial pace, but so what?

Finally, that idea of no request months (see main page) would be further fueled by putting songs together. The 58 minute Flower King's "Garden of Dreams" is really a bunch of tunes, but it's techically on the CD one big tune. It's split in fourths here. Do we really want to hear it all?

Stuff like Endless Dream....you have a strong case for that one....so how about a case by case basis? Please?

Oh, and that "Move Me" by King's X seems to me was tacked on by the band, not split from a whole tune. The last 4 minutes (part 2) are pure filler. I was shocked when I bought the record and heard it..so boring for KX. Now I know the reason. Maybe I should have wrote them a tune!

I don't want the tone of this to sound negative, and I surely agree that some splits are horrible (look at Kayleigh/Lavender for example), but lets change these only after input from others. And I appreciate the time and willingness to do this daunting task.

I'd much rather get things straight first like getting Cozy's show on the main page, things like that.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The last two tunes on Giant's "Three Friends"...Mister Class and Quality and Three Friends.

Good call.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I don't think tunes should be combined without asking first in a forum setting. With all due respect Spaz, I would rather you not give them a listen and be the judge.

Uh, this is a forum. And I'm not the only reason I'm a "judge" as you put it, is that I'm the one taking time to do it. Still the buck stops at Jim. I'll combine "Mister Class and Quality/Three Friends" and put it in Jim's folder, but if he says keep it separate, it stays separate.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
For instance the last three tunes on Sonus Umbra's "Snapshots From Limbo" should have been fused (they were split when ripped). Dot and Jim did this after I asked...it took awhile, but I went through protocol.

Protocol eh? Like, suggestions from the listeners, then approval by Jim? Yeah, we can do that .

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I also don't think any one person should be the arbitrer of this. What's the rush? Just post it and see...sort of like the "errors" thread. But maybe one thread per rq. There are lots of Moonies more jnowledgeable than you or I. It may be more of a glacial pace, but so what?

Reread my original post and you'll see that what you are saying is what I'm doing. I don't know every song on AM, so that's where other people's knowledge comes in. Given time, I'd have come up with the Three Friends one, but never the Sonus Umbra one. As per one person being arbiter, it's Jim. What's the rush? There is no rush; it is a glacial pace, thus my phrase "a few here and a few there." Post it like the "errors" thread? That's what this thread is: the "Needs Combining" thread.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Finally, that idea of no request months (see main page) would be further fueled by putting songs together. The 58 minute Flower King's "Garden of Dreams" is really a bunch of tunes, but it's techically on the CD one big tune. It's split in fourths here. Do we really want to hear it all? Stuff like Endless Dream....you have a strong case for that one....so how about a case by case basis? Please?

Exactly why it will stay separate. Exactly why "Five Suns" will stay separate. Exactly why "Amarok" was split up. What we're looking for here is stuff like "Mister Class and Quality/Three Friends" and "Endless Dream." In other words, a case-by-case basis. We're saying the same thing.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
... lets change these only after input from others. And I appreciate the time and willingness to do this daunting task.

Thanks, and this thread is "input from others," with all final decisions being Jim's.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I'd much rather get things straight first like getting Cozy's show on the main page, things like that.

Yep, that's why I put in the original post that Jim will not stop his world to listen to the freshly combined tracks. But the thing is, the reason it took Jim and Roger.Lee so long to combine those Sonus Umbra tracks is because there's so much to do to keep the station running, they don't have time to get involved in minute details like this. That's why I'm volunteering to pick up these little non-essential details like album cover art and now combiner tracks, which Jim can then evaluate at his leisure. There's an old saying, "Many hands make light work."



PS, what "Kayleigh/Lavender" thing? Is this a potential combiner?

[Rick and Roll]

[quote]Originally posted by Yesspaz

I'll download them from AM and give a listen. If I agree, I'll combine them, send them to Jim, and if he agrees, they can go back and replace the cut up version. [/QUOTE

Ok with everything you said spaz....except for this one.

"If I agree" doesn't sound like Moonie input to me.

The other thing was, I thought there was a thread called "splitting of songs" not too long ago.

I'll leave the Marillion to someone else....

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The other thing was, I thought there was a thread called "splitting of songs" not too long ago.

Yeah, I knew it was there somewhere, but I wan't sure what was "fixed" and what wasn't, so here's a new dedicated thread. And I see what you mean about the way I said that. When Jim and I were chatting in black, he said he'd probably veto much of what I combine. What I'm thinking by "if I agree" is if someone says something like, "Dark Side should be ripped as sides" or "Cygnus X-1 and Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemisphere should be combined" - I can take an educated guess as to what Jim will go ahead and shoot down.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Cygnus X-1 and Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemisphere should be combined

No way!