the GENESIS story...

[ivan_2068]

Originally Posted by addisleighpark

These guys don't need the money, as I'm sure their royalty checks would attest.

There's nothing as don't need the money, Phil is in the middle of a divorce that could cost him 50% of his earnings and when so much money is ibnvolved, things are more expensive for the wealthy guy.

Probably his wife lawyers are working in base of a "Cuota Litis", in other words they will charge her a percentage of whatever they get, so she probably is not investing a dime.

On the other hand, if you are sued and you can loose a hunbdreed millions, no lawyer will work for free, they will charge Phil Collins a percentage of what he can loose with a very high advance payment.

Mike and Tony have not done any really profitable thing in the last 13 or 14 years and when you have more money, you expend much more.

I don't believe they are in bankrupt but their huge fortunes may be in risk of becoming simply small fortunes and when you're rich enough, this must be terribly fightening.

And even if they are rich, everybody wants to be richer, look at Bill Gates, he has enough money for him and probably ten more generations but still he's working for more.

Iván

[RogorMortis]

And even if they are rich, everybody wants to be richer, look at Bill Gates, he has enough money for him and probably ten more generations but still he's working for more

That's a very dangerous postulation as the majority here would say he's never worked in his life. Gates is more of a bastard than genius as he's trodden on so many and Microsoft is "shit". I use Microsoft products and would have like to have "killed" Gates several times for the faulty stuff they put out. Too much of a monopoly.

Music fans have had to endure lousy record after lousy record for almost 30 years now...

Interesting theory - although I don't agree as such but it depends from what you compare from. The best prog years are 1970-1975 and if you compare from there then you will get a load of lousy records but the standard from the last 8 years has improved greatly.

I'll go along with Rich but don't come here. Denmark is a prog desert for live acts. I have to go very far to see anything and it gets expensive and it drives me crazy.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by RogorMortis

That's a very dangerous postulation as the majority here would say he's never worked in his life. Gates is more of a bastard than genius as he's trodden on so many and Microsoft is "shit". I use Microsoft products and would have like to have "killed" Gates several times for the faulty stuff they put out. Too much of a monopoly.

Billzebub has done more harm to the computing industry than he has done good. What people have had to endure with Micro$oft products just did not have to be. Other vendors were able to foresee the problems Billzebub has introduced but Billzebub's arrogance and greed blinded him too much to look at what his predecessors had already learned. Those whom are too stupid to heed history's warnings are doomed to repeat them.

Originally Posted by RogorMortis

I'll go along with Rich but don't come here. Denmark is a prog desert for live acts. I have to go very far to see anything and it gets expensive and it drives me crazy.

But you do have topless traffic control which more than evens the playing field!

[Methem]

Originally Posted by RogorMortis

I use Microsoft products and would have like to have "killed" Gates several times for the faulty stuff they put out.

http://www.tranquileye.com/cyber/197...hobbyists.html

Check the last sentence on that... Pretty ironic.


-Methem

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by ivan_2068

There's nothing as don't need the money, Phil is in the middle of a divorce that could cost him 50% of his earnings and when so much money is ibnvolved, things are more expensive for the wealthy guy.

Probably his wife lawyers are working in base of a "Cuota Litis", in other words they will charge her a percentage of whatever they get, so she probably is not investing a dime.

On the other hand, if you are sued and you can loose a hunbdreed millions, no lawyer will work for free, they will charge Phil Collins a percentage of what he can loose with a very high advance payment.

Mike and Tony have not done any really profitable thing in the last 13 or 14 years and when you have more money, you expend much more.

I don't believe they are in bankrupt but their huge fortunes may be in risk of becoming simply small fortunes and when you're rich enough, this must be terribly fightening.

And even if they are rich, everybody wants to be richer, look at Bill Gates, he has enough money for him and probably ten more generations but still he's working for more.

Iván

I really don't believe that they are touring for the money. And I don't believe that they write songs to make hits.

The three of them (again, all are responsible) have made the music you dislike for over 25 years. This is just what they do. Call it what you will, but it's not a commercial pursuit with musical overtones. It's music that is commercially successful. There's a difference.

There is no Monopoly here. What Genesis is doing has zero effect on the purchase habits for any other artist.

How did Bill Gates get in the conversation? I find the analogy irrelevant.

[ivan_2068]

Respéctfully Disagree Rick and this are my arguments:

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

I really don't believe that they are touring for the money. And I don't believe that they write songs to make hits.

I do believe they went commercial and that they wrote songs with the purpose of reaching the charts because:

POP MUSIC: For popular music (music produced commercially rather than art or folk music),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

1.- They changed complex structures to simple ABAB (Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus) mainly.

The basic form for pop music is the song and usually a song consisting of verse and repeated chorus.
http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm

2.- They went for a shorter lenght of songs in order to have radio airplay.

Most often the songs are between 2 1/2 minutes and 5 1/2 minutes in length. There have been notable exceptions. The Beatles' "Hey Jude" was an epic 7 minutes in length. However, in many cases, if the song is abnormally long, an edited version is released for radio airplay such as in the case of Don McLean's "American Pie." It was edited down from its original 8 1/2 minutes length to just over 4 minutes for radio airplay.
http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm

3.- The lyrics passed from ambituos and elegant to simple and mnore romantic oriented in some cases.

It's evident that since "Follow You, Follow Me" reached the charts and they received a lot of cash, they changed for a more commercial approach.

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

The three of them (again, all are responsible) have made the music you dislike for over 25 years. This is just what they do. Call it what you will, but it's not a commercial pursuit with musical overtones. It's music that is commercially successful. There's a difference.

IMO and as I explained in the previous point, they went fopr a cokmmercial approach.

Pop music is a genre of popular music distinguished from classical or art music and from folk music [1]. The term indicates specific stylistic traits, but the genre also includes elements of rock, hip hop, dance, and country, making it a flexible category. The expression "pop music" may also be used to refer to particular subgenres (within the pop music genre) that are in some cases referred to as soft rock and pop/rock. The pop music genre also often involves mass marketing and consumer-driven efforts by major record companies, which makes it an often scorned genre by non-mainstream musicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

Reminds me of late Genesis

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

There is no Monopoly here. What Genesis is doing has zero effect on the purchase habits for any other artist.

Agree with you in this point.

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

How did Bill Gates get in the conversation? I find the analogy irrelevant.

It's only an example that there's not such thing as "I have enough money", the more people have, the more they want, that's part of human nature.

But again it's only my opinion and subject to error.

Iván